Michael Fuller, the former Chief Constable of Kent Police and Chief Inspector of the Crown Prosecution Service. He was the first ethnic minority chief constable in the UK, and the first black officer of chief constable equivalent rank. His contribution was instrumental in the Stephen Lawrence case and The Macpherson Report. He has been creative in the methods in which he challenged racism within the Police Service. We talk about his experiences, as the only black constable in the early years, his new ways of in working with the community through the Trident years and beyond, and how he took his tools of resistance and resilience, learnt as. child in a loving children home, to his work within the criminal justice system.